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PC Port Of “From Dust” Is A Technical Mess

UPDATE: Ubisoft deleted the original forum thread regarding the DRM announcement. A new thread has been posted providing a “detailed explanation” of the DRM used in From Dust.  They wanted to clear up the confusion about their first post… which was made to clear up confusion about their original statement. Now they have stated that “From Dust requires an internet connection to start the game,” which isn’t a one-time activation like they told users the game would feature. Ubisoft is giving refunds for purchases through UPlay.
UPDATE 2: Despite reports that Steam is giving refunds, there has been no official statement from Steam/Valve regarding this. Steam is giving some refunds to customers who cite A: Laws concerning claims of product performance and features , and B: Those who cite the DRM issue, link to statements that Ubisoft said there was a one-time activation, when in reality the game checks on each launch for an internet connection. If you simply ask for a refund it will be denied, which is happening for many Steam customers.

 

A few weeks ago Ubisoft released their sandbox God-Game “From Dust” on Xbox 360. The PC version of the game was originally supposed to launch around the same time, but was delayed almost a month and was released today, August 17th. Ubisoft did not disclose a reason for the delay, but it’s probable that it was to combat PC piracy and possibly alter the DRM system for the game.

Originally it was rumored that the game would use “always-on” DRM, which requires you to be connected to the internet the whole time you play, and any loss of connection would force you out of the game. Ubisoft clarified the rumor, and stated that the game would require “a one-time only online activation.” However, this has also turned out to not be true. Instead of a one-time activation, the game instead checks each time you launch it. While this system isn’t “always-on,” it’s also not what they promised gamers it would be.  Some users have even had issues with the game detecting their connection, leaving them unable to play.

A gamers reaction after playing the PC port of From Dust.

It would be expected that the delay would give Ubisoft time to make sure everything is working smoothly for the PC port. That has not happened either. From Dust uses very detailed physics simulations to model water and lava dynamics, and requires a good amount hardware power to do so.  A very good amount in fact. The minimum system requirements include the Nvidia 256mb 8800GT; while the graphics card is almost 4 years old, it is still quite powerful and can play any other recent release. These minimum requirements mean any user with an integrated graphics card is basically out of luck.  It would have been good form to make special indication of the game’s high requirements, but that was not done. Another way to solve the performance issue would have been to include a full list of graphical settings to adjust, which is almost assumed to be included in every PC game. However the only setting available is resolution, meaning people with performance problems have almost no ability to try to improve it.  From Dust is also locked to a maximum of 30fps, which creates a number of problems for certain PC gamers.

Users are also frustrated of poor mouse controls. Instead of directly controlling a mouse pointer, the game still uses a cursor that sticks to the ground and resembles a snake (which is used in the console version). This method makes perfect sense with an analog stick that has a fixed area of movement, but a mouse can be moved without limitation, making the indirect control method rather unintuitive. The mouse controls not only the cursor’s position, but also the camera movement, meaning you have to center the item you are looking at before you can actually interact with it, otherwise it will cause you to continue moving the camera. Again, no options are given to change these settings. All of these problems are occurring on top of other bugs and stability issues.

Users who purchased From Dust from Steam still have to sign up for UPlay, Ubisoft’s digital distribution service, and the game will also launch the UPlay client, which for Steam users is a completely useless program. The Ubisoft forums are currently filled with complaining customers, and there has been little to no response from Ubisoft staff. One user wrote, “The overall lack of any effort whatsoever to make this a decent PC game is totally unacceptable.”

This is far from the first time Ubisoft has released a subpar PC port. Far Cry 2 for PC suffered from some critical bugs that would corrupt save games or prevent progress in the story, and they were never patched. Rainbow 6: Vegas 2 for PC suffered from such terrible performance and netcode that the game was unplayable; these issues were also not fixed.  It’s expected that all the issues plaguing From Dust will largely go unchanged. Ubisoft’s reputation as a PC developer takes a step down after every release, and many gamers have stated their intentions to stop purchasing their games altogether, or wait to see what other users say.

Ubisoft also recently delayed the PC version of Call of Juarez: The Cartel for PC, again giving no reason for the delay. Previously Ubisoft has issued last minute delays of PC versions for almost every major series, including Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell.

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  • Caleb Brian

    Man am I angry about this. I’ve got a PC that can run The Witcher 2 perfectly fine with only Uber Sampling disabled, and a GTX 295, one of Nvidias Dual Core video cards with PhysX and the game is almost completely unplayable. The stuttering is horrendous, the mouse controls feel like a last minute thing, and the graphics horrendously sub-par.

    After playing Assassins Creed Brotherhood on PC all the way though I thought Ubi had put all this mess behind them. Apparently not.

  • When this was first presented in the tech demo, I though this would be pretty cool. I had largely forgotten about this until it was announced that the PC release date would be pushed back after the Xbox 360 date. I didn’t even know that this was released until today, and I am feeling pretty lucky that I kept forgetting about it. I might ‘acquire the demo’ but that looks like the maximum extent of my involvement.

  • Anonymous

    I was looking forward to From Dust too… the hell is wrong with Ubisoft? Do I need to place a burn bag of turd on their North America HQ for them to get a better picture of how displeased people are?

  • Db

    I’m playing it on PC and it’s perfect, use the arrow to control the mouse, like in an FPS, and everything’s fine.

    • Pete Blunden

      Except you cannot change the speed of WASD, so finite movements turn out to jump across the map

  • Jay

    Ubisoft AGAIN. Fingers-crossed they wont fck up AC: Revelations for PC like they did for this because if they did, I am srsly going cancel my pre-order and pirate it. 

    • stupid PC gamers and their pirating, your the reason they have all this DRM shit

      • People pirate games on 360 and ps3, also.

      • guest

        nope… its THEIR fault… we can still access the game… THEY DOESNT LOOSE ANY MONEY! its only copying… really many people buy the game…
        everything is fine… BUT… THEY WANT MORE!! MORE!! MORE!!They doesnt deserve my money. GAMES SHOULD BE CREATED BY CREATIVITY NOT BY MONEY… they doesnt make them to make people happier… they make it to get MONEY.

        • Donkey

          Holy shit… You’re a moron. If they didn’t make the games to get money they wouldn’t be able to make the game… It’s just like any other business in the world. It costs a lot of money to make a game so if they didn’t sell them they would go out of business… You selfish moron.

          • guest#2

            I make games and I make them for free by myself. One may argue the quality of the games vs. games like this made by huge teams even though it really dose not show here so this point is kinda moot… Anyways my and his point seems to be that you don’t need money to make a quality game its just that they won’t and they did not even though they have the resources to do so. Successfully making Ubisoft the selfish morons.

        • Donkey

          Holy shit… You’re a moron. If they didn’t make the games to get money they wouldn’t be able to make the game… It’s just like any other business in the world. It costs a lot of money to make a game so if they didn’t sell them they would go out of business… You selfish moron.

      • No_one

        DRM isn’t the reason this PC port sucks. Did you not read the article? Its a technical mess, has nothing to do with anti-piracy efforts requiring customers to be online during play.  Get your head outta your @$$

      • DRM isn’t to stop pirating – games are often hacked on the day of release, or in the case of From Dust – a working hack was release BEFORE the game.

        Despite what the game companies say, the latest type of DRM is to combat 2nd hand sales (games companies have long complained that they get no share of the monies from 2nd hand sales) – thats why with most games these days you have to create a GFWL account or something similar like Uplay.  If you sell the game on, the next buyer can’t play it as it is registered to your account.

        Also, copied games are also widely available for consoles – 360 and PS3 are easily hacked to play pirated games. – Latest figures show that the end of 2011 figures are predicted to be $48.9 BILLION!  

        PC games sales in US for this year are around $950 Million! That is almost 1 Billion Dollars in sales.

        Piracy isn’t doing squat to their precious sales figures.

      • DRM isn’t to stop pirating – games are often hacked on the day of release, or in the case of From Dust – a working hack was release BEFORE the game.

        Despite what the game companies say, the latest type of DRM is to combat 2nd hand sales (games companies have long complained that they get no share of the monies from 2nd hand sales) – thats why with most games these days you have to create a GFWL account or something similar like Uplay.  If you sell the game on, the next buyer can’t play it as it is registered to your account.

        Also, copied games are also widely available for consoles – 360 and PS3 are easily hacked to play pirated games. – Latest figures show that the end of 2011 figures are predicted to be $48.9 BILLION!  

        PC games sales in US for this year are around $950 Million! That is almost 1 Billion Dollars in sales.

        Piracy isn’t doing squat to their precious sales figures.

    • cakefish

      Pirating is just exacerbating the problem. It will do noting but encourage publishers to **** us legal customers around even more. You dirty pirates are the reason this game and many others are so god damn awful on PC. Shame on you >:(

      • shiftycent

        It’s a chicken and egg argument. 

        People pirate games because companies like Ubisoft have unreasonable DRM on all their games. Ubisoft makes stupid decisions about unreasonable DRM because people pirate games. 

        • Not even that, plenty of people buy the games and then go online and get the crack just so they don’t have to deal with this crap. I my self have done this plenty. Actually now a days I make sure there is a crack just in case the DRM is so bad that its unworkable. I still have bought plenty of games but a crack seems to be a must now a days. Yes I am talking to you EA and Spore. What where you people smoking over there. I bought it and then had to get a crack just to play the dam thing. F DRM.

          At least Maxim after a time did fix all the issues so they did listen to their customers which was not all bad.

      • BS

        BS! i pirate a game to see if its worth buying in the first place!
        and you know what? with this horrible port to PC and disgusting gameplay due to laziness of the publisher, i’m more than glad i first pirated it!
        screw the DRM, i never got all the fuzz around it, put as much DRM as you like, but the game better be worth it, not half finished work of porting to PC and screwing the gameplay completely! and lying about system specs until release day! really?!?! and you tell me not to pirate it?? screw ubisoft for this and screw you too

      • Anonymous

        Companies with smarter approaches to DRM have shown that it does not matter what you do. ALL drm can be cracked, I have yet to see a PC game that you cant pirate. So why even bother putting it on?

        All DRM does it punish and annoy gamers who actually want to pay and encourages piracy and a decrease in sales. No DRM has worked yet and until there is some sort of physical hardware system it never will.

      • Anonymous

        Companies with smarter approaches to DRM have shown that it does not matter what you do. ALL drm can be cracked, I have yet to see a PC game that you cant pirate. So why even bother putting it on?

        All DRM does it punish and annoy gamers who actually want to pay and encourages piracy and a decrease in sales. No DRM has worked yet and until there is some sort of physical hardware system it never will.

      • Anonymous

        Companies with smarter approaches to DRM have shown that it does not matter what you do. ALL drm can be cracked, I have yet to see a PC game that you cant pirate. So why even bother putting it on?

        All DRM does it punish and annoy gamers who actually want to pay and encourages piracy and a decrease in sales. No DRM has worked yet and until there is some sort of physical hardware system it never will.

      • Anonymous

        Companies with smarter approaches to DRM have shown that it does not matter what you do. ALL drm can be cracked, I have yet to see a PC game that you cant pirate. So why even bother putting it on?

        All DRM does it punish and annoy gamers who actually want to pay and encourages piracy and a decrease in sales. No DRM has worked yet and until there is some sort of physical hardware system it never will.

        • Let me tell you the game you can’t pirate 🙂 HAWX 2

          Ubisoft seems to have really fucked up this game (From Dust I mean)

          • Hawx 2 has had a scene hack for a while now.

          • Anonymous

            HAWX2 was originally cracked but the game launcher was updated. The most current version is not pirated but I believe thats due to lack of interest from hackers, and not a testament to the DRM’s strength.

            Though I will agree DRM is getting stronger and stronger. One day they will get it strong enough for it to be a major obstacle to piracy.

        • Jc_pumper

          There is a game that nobody has managed to pirate. Look for DJ MAX Trilogy.

        • Jc_pumper

          There is a game that nobody has managed to pirate. Look for DJ MAX Trilogy.

          • Anonymous

            DJ Max Trilogy requires a USB dongle to be connected to the PC to work. So it requires hardware, just as I had said, thats the only real thing that works.

        • Lafkajfj3rll2

          DRM prevents the resale of old games and sharing games between friends. For this, it is exceptionally effective.

          • Orange99z28

            drm is the devils work. i make sure any game i buy doesn’t have any of that bs. i hate supporting assholes, i don’t care hpw popular they are!

          • anon

            It’s a digital download! Meaning you bought it from UPlay or Steam, and it’s already tied to your account. Thus, it’s prevented from being resold or shared unless you just let your friends use your account, in which case this DRM wouldn’t stop it anyway.

        • Baxter

          Actually, I recall Rise of Flight never being cracked before it became free to play. That doesn’t mean it couldn’t be cracked, but it never was. Just thought i’d throw that out there.

        • Correct, I personally have no issue if the game wants a disk but when it wants it every time or ever time it must go online I say crack time.

        • Jolob

          I like the approach of the developers of sins of a solar empire… our game is so good we are not going to put a key on, you will be so satisfied that you will pay us any way… or something like that, they did not put on any DRM, you bought the game, installed it and played it with out the disk. I played pireted first, and bought the game, and its 2 expansions i was so impressed. This is the attitude developers need. if their games are so good, then people will go out of their way to re-embruse them for it. in other words, you earn money, not demand it…

      • Superhyper

        NO ONE LOSES ANYTHING! we only get… but they are greedy. so they want MONEY MONEY MONEY!! im not going to even bother to pirate it! it sucks… fuck Ubisoft and its greedy owners

      • Ac31187

        No we get shitty games because they rush the port to PC and say fuck it, we will make money who cares how the PC gaming community feels.

        This is the reason I pirate a game before I decide to buy it. Fuck You Ubisoft.

      • No proper research supports the claim that pirating is anything other than beneficial for producers.A copied game can NOT be compared to a lost sale. That notion is utter nonsense. And you are not supposed to be fighting your customers just because they don’t behave as you wish. Please them, and they will give you their money.

      • Fuck Consoles

        the reason they are doing this because of the fuckin consoles THEN pirating, previously, they relied on PC gamers so they did care so much about the overall games quality.

        Now, they dont give a slightest shit about PC because consoles are dominating, its just like “If dont like it then fuck you, we have shitty consoles”, but this is just a short twist in the market, consoles have been always come and go, but PC gone no where, so eventually consoles will get fucked again and PC will sit on the throne and they will start kissing our asses again to buy their shit.

      • Sheep talk. Good games sell them selves. This garbage is not worth the time, and even those who pirate probably don’t even finish playing the game because of how bad it is. Games are about fun, and PC is about getting the latest out of technology not 4 year old technology. Buy it no one is telling you not to. Enjoy.

      • Edzone

        “Dirty pirates”. It’s hilarious and pathetic at the shame time how you anti-pirates react to ever mentioning piracy. We’ve just been given many many reasons why pirating Ubisofts games is preferable. It’s not dirty, it’s just because we’re usually intelligent people that like to play video games without having to go through extremely hard work each time we play them.

        Pretentious assholes like you slam pirates just so you can maintain that erection you get every time you see yourself in the mirror. Piracy isn’t stealing, it’s getting something for free because you either don’t have the money for video games, which as everyone knows are ridiculously over-priced, or you don’t want to waste your money on things that are just going to cause you to waste precious moments of your life twidiling your fatty thumbs.

        Piracy is making the problem worse, homosexual like yourself disliking piracy isn’t going to stop it, Ubisoft are selfish cunts who just want a lot of money, they get a lot of money but it isn’t enough for them. For some people such as myself, if someone were to go so far out of their way as to break the law, just to play my fucking measly little video game, I’d be absolutely fucking honoured, I’d cry with fucking joy if someone just thought something I created was worth their time. But it isn’t enough for sad cunts like you and fucking Ubisoft, they deserve to have their games pirated enough, they’re so stupid to think they’re capable of stopping piracy with this bloody constant connection, the only people that need the connection are wasteful morons who legitimately bought it, they’re willing to ruin the entire experience, or even fuck people out of a lot of money in an attempt to stop 3% of consumers from playing the game for free. I pirated every Assassin’s Creed game, I played it every day in hospital, I wouldn’t have been able to do that if I had bought it like a cunt, they don’t let you go on their Internet in my fucking hospital, but thanks to piracy, I don’t have to stay on the cunting internet to play a stupid video game.

        The only reason you suffer, is because you’re dumb enough to think that legally buying games will get you into Heaven, are you a nerd or a “believer”? Have you never done anything bad in your life? Is piracy over 9000 times worse than everything you’ve ever done? Do you, a silly little child really have the fucking right to tell people how to live their lives? Do you deserve the privilege of getting to be all gay, high and mighty every time piracy is mentioned just because you don’t do it? Every time rape is mentioned do you jump up and shout “rapists are dirty! I don’t rape! Look at me! I’m a good person, I’m helping the problem! It’s because of rapists, that sex is getting worse! Not because every generation the human race descends more into retardation! It’s because of the people who do the thing I don’t do! Blame them!” You fucking tool of a sheep. Shame on you, you silly little faggot for thinking you’re better than anyone else, you’re not trying to help the human race, you’re not a fucking Doctor, Nurse, Cop, Firefighter, War-Fighter, Spider-Man. You’re just a worthless kid who wants video games to be better, video games aren’t getting worse, they’re getting better by the minute. Cunts like you complain about how everything is being ruined by pirates, having to buy extra content for video games now, that would be here even if piracy wasn’t, that’s not developers being forced to make money back because they’ve lost it all to pirates, that’s developers wanting more money and getting more money because you cunts will complain about it, but at the end of your day wanking and playing your video games, you’ll buy that extra content, giving them all the money you THINK they’re losing to piracy. Piracy hasn’t lost anyone any money. Piracy increases customer, you know how many people pirate a video game, only for that video game to be one they appreciate, they’ll go out and buy the game on console, or get the fucking plushies for that video game. 

        Who fucking cares if piracy causes DRM? Pirates don’t care, because pirates don’t suffer. Do you have any idea how lucky you are to be able to play video games, take a fucking video game to Somalia, I don’t think they’d give a shit that they had to be on the internet to play it, if they just were in the knowledge they had internet they’d cry with glee. While you sit on your $1000 computer, moaning to strangers about how your FANTASY UNIVERSE IN A FUCKING BOX isn’t absolute perfection.

        The thing mentally challenged 12 year old’s like yourself don’t take into account is that piracy isn’t the problem, that’s not what started video game developers trying to earn their money back, it’s second hand selling, it used to be where you’d second hand sell your games to video game stores, where the profits could go back to the developers, now it’s sold single person to person, over sites like eBay and Amazon, people are getting the game without have to give any money to developers, I only buy games second hand anyway? I’d much sooner give the money to some stupid penniless scrapper over the internet than to cunty developers like Ubisoft who fuck over loyal homosexual customers just so they can’t win their own personal war, the war of “Everyone Doesn’t Give Us All The Money!” But these people are never blamed, because faggots like you consider yourselves super heroes, because you’re trying to start a fight with people who are doing things their way, the smarter way, the easier way, they’re doing it by breaking the law. It’s why lonely kids at school became super heroes, they were bullied at school, because they were too Neville Longbottom to ever even think of breaking rules. Tell me child, do you think drugs are naughty? Is smoking going to kill me one day?

        You’re wrong, young, foolish and your mummy buys you too many games, we all weren’t born into luxury, we can’t afford everything we want, but there is also pricks like me, who can, but don’t, so we can spend our money on cigarettes and drugs. I wish you the best of luck through puberty you adorable little ragamuffin! >;(

  • Sloughran

    If I had known this was being published by Ubisoft I never would have bought it. When it starts up, I get a view of a sandy scene where the camera pans back and forth and then nothing happens after that. No amount of key,mouse or game pad pressing fixes it. I HATE Ubisoft. (Burned by R62 as well)

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  • Anonymous

    Release game on Steam, using only Steam DRM and I’ll buy it.  Require any other sort of DRM?  Forget it, no game is worth that hassle.

    Listen up Ubisoft.  Steam DRM or lose a sale.  Your choice.

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  • Sam

    This article needs an editor, there are way too many grammatical errors.

  • Bob

    -| while the graphics card is almost 4 years old, it is still quite powerful and can any other recent release.

    I think you accidentally a word there.

    • Anonymous

      I will make the correction. Thank you.

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  • Mike

    poor mouse controls +
    but a mouse can be moved without limitation, making the indirect control method rather intuitive
    = contradiction
    i think you meant unintuitive…

    • Anonymous

      I will make the correction. Thank you.

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  • Abc_abc

    ” cakefish Collapse

    Pirating is just exacerbating the problem. It will do noting but
    encourage publishers to **** us legal customers around even more. You
    dirty pirates are the reason this game and many others are so god damn
    awful on PC. Shame on you >:(”

    Pirating is a result of excessive control over users and excessive control over users is a result of pirating.

    Something they fail to consider is the fact that a pirated game is a a copy of a game someone played. They are actually doing themselves a favor and are advertizing themselves. Ever heard of Monty Python? They decided to stop emailing Youtube to take their videos off of Youtube and made their own channel and asked people to buy their merchandise if they like it. They since have had an increase in sales every year.

    There is nothing stopping a user of a pirated game from telling his friends about the game, or buying the real game just to support the company… But who wants to support a company that treats the customers like criminals?

    On the other hand, DRM  does not solves any problem as it only serves as an insult and a reminder that they treat customers as criminals. Everything made by man can be unmade by man. To play the game, I had to make a steam account, a Uplay account, buy the game on steam, and have both steam and Uplay activated while playing the game. Tell me I shouldn’t feel like I’m in prison…

    • Anonymous

      Also developers love to equate every pirated copy as a loss in sales. Any pirate can tell you that is not true. For many pirates the only reason they download the game is because it is free. If they had to pay they would just skip over it.

      Its impossible to estimate how much money a developer loses from piracy.

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  • Guest

    So this is what we can term a “pilot” game, where UBI soft has attempted to ressurect Populous with a hint of Lemmings with the power of today’s tech. That said its more of a high priced proof of concept mini-game, which im sure has been challenging for console gamers, and if sells well we can expect to see more done with the game in the future. However that doesn’t change the fact that its insulting to play it on a PC, as it is like waking up inside the body of someone suffering from cerebral palsy.

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  • LOL at the picture of  PC gamer’s reaction to From Dust’s DRM. Good one.

    I haven’t bought a Ubisoft game since March 2010, the month the always online DRM first reared it’s ugly head. Over a year later I broke that streak by buying Il2 Cliffs of Dover, all because it used Steam. Buggy game. Never played it more than 5 minutes before it crashes or the cockpit graphic become corrupted.

    I would’ve bought From Dust after they announced the one time activation scheme but luckily I didn’t. I didn’t have to wait for the reviews to make up my mind.

    Oh, well. At least I have Deus Ex pre ordered. to keep me busy this month. Oh, yeah it’s less than a week from today and it’s not delayed and PC optimized….Sweet.

    P/S : I won’t be pirating From Dust or any other games that I won’t buy. It’ll be better to ignore it than becoming one of the perpetrators making PC gaming a terrible platform to enjoy.

    My logic is simple :

    Less sales due to DRMS + More pirates = more DRMS.

    Less sales due to DRMS + Less pirates = publishers will think twice.

  • Bobby928

    also hawx 2…..

  • Bobby928

    also hawx 2…..

    • Anonymous

      HAWX 2’s DRM can be cracked. No hacker is working on it though.

  • Pirateer333456

    uhmm.. cakefish YOU are an idiot, yes piracy can be seen as harming the community, but the fact is the game market increase annualy, more and more people pay.

    do you have any idea how much pirating has BENEFITED you?

    you might be like no we all need to buy, well if majority of you think so then there no harm in the few pirates out there. these companies make millions/billions. and never go on a loss easily. ive never hard of a game companie closing due to piracy, its only because of crap releases OR Company got Sold.

    the only harm piracy can bring is on the indie game community, and there are alot of pirate(like myself) who feel its not right to pirate from an indie developer. exspecialy if they trying to find their routes.

    but back the the original benefit, gaming would not be where it is today without piracy, do you honestly think lan parties would be so big if piracy never existed? do you think game communities would be bigger if there is no piracy? well im sorry but you are mistaken, piracy is as essential to the gaming industry, sure ubisoft can make an extra 2-5 milion from the gamers.

    starcraft lan paries, you gota remember those. if it werent for piracy we never would have had such a quick advance through gaming technology. and starcraft was the beginning.

    i understand why people say its bad, but i always want people to atleast try to understand the lil good in it. and i have to add on a side note ALL of my friends and i that pirate stil buy games for online play, or if it was a truly awesome game(to support the developers).

    and TBH the biggest harm to the gaming industry at the moment is the consoles, just because they keep technologies back. luckily the developers finaly moved on, but it was 2-3 years of technological standstill. i mean look at crysis 2 it was nerfed heavily due to consoles, do you honestly believe crysis 2 would have looked like that if consoles never existed.

    my only problem with consoles is they keep technologies behind, other then that they awesome.

  • Pirateer333456

    uhmm.. cakefish YOU are an idiot, yes piracy can be seen as harming the community, but the fact is the game market increase annualy, more and more people pay.

    do you have any idea how much pirating has BENEFITED you?

    you might be like no we all need to buy, well if majority of you think so then there no harm in the few pirates out there. these companies make millions/billions. and never go on a loss easily. ive never hard of a game companie closing due to piracy, its only because of crap releases OR Company got Sold.

    the only harm piracy can bring is on the indie game community, and there are alot of pirate(like myself) who feel its not right to pirate from an indie developer. exspecialy if they trying to find their routes.

    but back the the original benefit, gaming would not be where it is today without piracy, do you honestly think lan parties would be so big if piracy never existed? do you think game communities would be bigger if there is no piracy? well im sorry but you are mistaken, piracy is as essential to the gaming industry, sure ubisoft can make an extra 2-5 milion from the gamers.

    starcraft lan paries, you gota remember those. if it werent for piracy we never would have had such a quick advance through gaming technology. and starcraft was the beginning.

    i understand why people say its bad, but i always want people to atleast try to understand the lil good in it. and i have to add on a side note ALL of my friends and i that pirate stil buy games for online play, or if it was a truly awesome game(to support the developers).

    and TBH the biggest harm to the gaming industry at the moment is the consoles, just because they keep technologies back. luckily the developers finaly moved on, but it was 2-3 years of technological standstill. i mean look at crysis 2 it was nerfed heavily due to consoles, do you honestly believe crysis 2 would have looked like that if consoles never existed.

    my only problem with consoles is they keep technologies behind, other then that they awesome.